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this is dangerous talk, telling a birther he would love to know more about the president's background, like there's something unamerican in his background. mike huckabee shouldn't be spreading false witness about other people, it is just wrong. "the last word with lawrence o'donnell" starts now. police still can't find the missing wisconsin senators, so now they're getting fined $100 a day. last night police did find charlie sheen's sons, so now he's home alone with the goddesses. >> governor walker and the republicans just gave over $100 million in tax cuts to corporations and now they're asking teachers and nurses to pay for it. >> obama and the union bosses are standing in the way of economic reform. >> big money ads come to wisconsin as workers fight for their rights. >> stop obama and his union bosses today. >> not selfish, it is just survival.
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>> more new polls show support for the protesters. >> tonight's "the wall street journal" poll shows americans are adamant against eliminating collective bargaining rights for public workers. >> they say they should have the same rights as other employees. >> they are playing hard ball at the moment. >> the stalemate continues. it is cold here. 10,000 protesters slept outside, 107 slept inside. >> and last night, they used a new label to describe the protesters. >> we can no longer to continue to have all of these slobs in the building. >> these slobs that you're referring to are police officers and nurses and firefighters. >> i think if you would interview all the people who are creating a ruckus, the vast majority who are here today are not police officers or nurses. >> we will interview them tonight, and that republican senator and see if he still thinks they're slobs.
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>> all that's being shut down by a bunch of slobs taking over the building. >> and the judge decides charlie sheen has gone too far and sends police into sober valley lodge. >> overnight, police removed his twin boys from his care. >> charlie sheen called us last night and told us police had just come to his house in the darkness of night with representatives from brooke mueller's camp. >> at this moment on live television, i do not know where my children are. >> love him or loathe him, the question remains, were charlie's rights as a father actually trampled on. good evening, at protesters in the wisconsin capitol continued a 19th straight day, republican governor scott walker and senators ramped up pressure on the 14 democrats who are still refusing to come back and vote on the governor's so-called budget repair bill. the republicans in the state senate unanimously adopted a resolution that will fine senators $100 each time they miss a session day without a valid excuse.
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the missing senators will also have to repay the state for the costs of seeking to compel them to show up for work. governor walker is earning his paycheck these days, almost entirely by holding repetitive news conferences. >> there may have been some skeptics that thought the budget repair bill was a bluff, that somehow we weren't serious about this. that somehow the consequences maybe were overblown. i think people recognize loud and clear that we presented our biennial budget yesterday to the state legislature. for the only way for us to avoid massive layoffs and major changes in services at the local level and governments and schools is to ensure we give them the tools. and the only way for that is for the 14 state senators to come back home. >> a new nbc "the wall street journal" poll finds only 33% of americans think eliminating collective bargaining rights for public employees is acceptable.
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62% find that idea unacceptable. the political advertising wars have begun in wisconsin. progressive change committee and democracy for america launched this ad in milwaukee and madison today. >> i'm just a secretary, and this bill that walker's proposing is going to cost me over $3,000 a year, not to mention more down the road when we lose our collective bargaining rights. >> i believe the issues discussed in madison are not unique to madison or the state of wisconsin, these are national issues. money is being taken from workers and tax break given to major corporations. >> this is republican class warfare, an attack on the middle class. this is a battle and we need to win. >> joining me now, four protesters who have spent nights sleeping in the state capitol. sherry, a nurse, mary lee big, a
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customer service rep for a local phone call. karen, a student services coordinator for university of wisconsin, and talk, a paving foreman whose wife is a teacher, and also joining us is republican wisconsin state senator glenn grothman that had this to say about protesters sleeping in the state capitol building on this program last night. >> we're trying to keep some people out of the building because right now the building is becoming a pig sty. people are staying overnight, the building smells. we can no longer continue to have all of these slobs in the building. >> senator grot man, you've had giet a reaction to that statement last night. would you like to apologize to these protesters for referring to them as slobs? >> well, maybe qualify what i said. some of them are friendly slobs, some of them are lovable slobs, but they're still slobs. i should have added that by the
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way i walked in there last night after i gave my interview and they senator a lot, but some of them are friendly and lovable. >> sherry, you're a nurse. last night, senator grot man said it wasn't police officers and teachers out there, it was slobs. what do you have to say to him. >> i am a nurse. i've been here this is like my fifth night. and i'm an american citizen here in a building that i pay taxes for since i was age 16 and i'm going to be 50. it is an honor to be an american and exercise my rights and to be in this building here. >> mary? >> fighting for our rights. >> mary lou, what do you have to say? >> i think he is kind of exaggerating a little.
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a lot of us are cleaning ourselves up in the capitol bathroom. if we are allowed the access the people of wisconsin are supposed to get where we can come and go through that building, maybe we could go home and take some showers. believe me, if he smells anything, it is not because we want to smell bad, it is because they're shutting down the capitol and not allowing the capitol to be open as it legally is supposed to be. >> karen, how does it make you feel to be called a slob by one of the senators in the building? >> well, i think he's really mistaken by trying to marginalize the people in that building. he is marginalizing that it is a bunch of students and they're having a party. citizens have been locked out of the house, there is a greater majority of students in there because they have more flexibility. they have less family responsibilities, they can stay there, whereas some of us with more obligations have to leave and then we cannot get back in. and i did talk to some students
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in there and they do have a message for the senator. they said that it's not a big party. four days without fresh air, showers, and beer, freezing on cold marble surrounded by 100 police officers is not their idea of a party. >> senator, you've been smiling and chuckling at what you're hearing from the protesters. i don't know, in your camera position, senator, can you actually see the protesters on a monitor? >> i saw a few of them. they brought up another interesting point. they are kind of using the bathrooms as showers, which i would say is another definition of a slob, but they sound like very nice people, i talked to several of them, i'm sure they're very nice and having a bunch of college students spend the night on an air mattress with their girlfriend. to me, it doesn't sound like -- i think there's an element of joy in that. >> senator, i asked if you could see them. america is looking at the
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protesters now, these four on the same screen as you, and there is nothing about them that would in any way fit the word used to describe them. what has made you do that, what has made you choose that way of describing these people who very clearly don't fit the description that you seem to want to throw at all of the protesters? >> well, you got to have -- instead of taking a picture of them tonight at 7:00, take a picture of them at 6:30 in the morning on the sleeping bag or air mattress, see what they look like when showering in the bathrooms. >> at 7:00 in the morning -- i was collecting trash with a crew of students. >> senator, my brother and i, we came in with nothing, and we slept on that cold, hard floor to exercise our rights and our beliefs.
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we were not allowed to bring anything in and we do not care because our presence here representing american rights and our right to be free and to speak is worth sleeping on a cold, hard floor for, and that's what we did. >> right. >> didn't get to have a sleeping bag and pillow last night. >> i would like to know what you look like when you get up first thing in the morning. i'm sure you're not a pretty picture either. >> yeah. >> tom -- >> senator, let me get tom in. he hasn't had a chance to speak yet. tom, i want your reaction to the senator's description of who's in the protests. you've been there, you've been there overnight. give us your description of who you have been protesting with in that building and on the grounds around the capitol.
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>> well, there's private business people here. there was a lady from stevens point in there. there was a lawyer in there. there's iron workers, there's firefighters, there was a carpenter. >> a cop. >> and i don't think they deserve to be called slobs. i mean, senator, you don't have to put somebody down to bring yourself up. you know, this is america, and workers are not slobs. we don't -- we want respect, senator, and we deserve the same respect as any senator does, and we just don't like this slob -- it is not not very respectful and not very professional. >> name calling isn't going to get us anywhere. we need to work on solutions to the problem. name calling needs to stop. we don't appreciate it. >> senator, go ahead. >> i tell you, i've had this job quite awhile. i've seen tens of thousands come through the capitol, express their opinion on this bill or that.
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everybody else has managed to express their opinion without staying overnight in a capitol that's supposed to be closed, without posting obnoxious signs in the halls, without pounding drums mindlessly. so i like these people, they're wonderful people, i like all people, probably there's not a legislator that talks to as many people as me, but i will tell you the vast majority of either students, unemployed people, teaching assistants, but other people just kind of -- i talked to enough, when you have 500 people staying overnight, you can pick a few people that have a more serious job. they are wonderful people, i am sure they are having a wonderful time. most people, everybody else is able to tell me how to vote on a bill without staying overnight and pounding on a drum. >> senator, you had a run-in with the protesters last night when you were trying to get into the state building. let's take a look at that now.
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[ shouting ] >> senator, your comments about the protesters have anything to do with having gone through that, your own personal experience with the protesters last night? >> well, i think that little video took place an hour before i called them slobs. might not have been a coincidence there. i mean, obviously again i have been on the winning side of vote, on the losing side of votes, seen a lot of people on very emotional issues. normally people on whatever the emotional issues are, the environment, deer hunting,
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pro-life issues, they are able to exist without chanting at people, harassing them, yelling at them. it is a further example, you're getting a different breed of person opposing governor walker's initiatives. >> senator, i have to tell you from where we are sitting, we are looking at the protesters. you're not in a position to control our image of the protesters with your words because our cameras have them. they are here discussing this with us. these are as responsible a set of citizens as i think we could put in front of a camera. it seems to me -- >> are you serious? >> yes. you've got to see who these other people are in this frame with you, senator. when you call them slobs, it makes it seem as if you have absolutely no substance to your position, that you're just down to name calling. >> did you see that tape a second ago which happened before i called them slobs? did you see the people screaming in my face?
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i mean, these are not normal sort of people. >> mary, what? >> these people -- can you describe us in more detail? >> we are out there by the millions. >> what we were saying last night. >> what they were saying last night was shame. >> what the republicans are doing is shameful to the wisconsin people. what you're doing is shameful to the wisconsin people. and if you think we're nice and wonderful, you don't call us slobs. and what governor walker is doing is an extreme thing that's never happened to wisconsin before, so it is taking extreme measures. he is not listening to us. so we have to do what we have to to be heard. >> governor walker is a very kind person. governor walker is a very kind person and he is trying to make
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sure that the state employees -- >> senator -- >> senator -- >> i want the tech calls on where we stand. >> wonderful husband, wonderful father. >> senator, we have passed a couple of deadlines that the governor has outlined, a couple of deadlines that we already passed through. what happens next with this bill? i think governor walker is going to be forced into a difficult position. he wanted everybody to take a small cut, so nobody got laid off. eventually we can't do the small cuts. governor walker will have to give some of the state employees 100% cuts. governor walker desperately does not want to do that. >> we all agreed on the cuts. you are taking away our rights. >> no, look, you don't understand. the federal employees do not have collective bargaining
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rights at all, which is less than you have, and the reason the federal employees don't have collective bargaining rights is because jimmy carter got rid of them, and barack obama kept them away. now you're expecting scott walker to give you far more rights than barack obama wants you to have. >> what does that have to do with our rights here in wisconsin? >> you want local mayors or school administrators to assign people to the jobs they want. we are all for local control. so we are for local control. >> how is cutting school funding and restricting local municipalities from increasing taxes to fund those schools when you're giving them the squeeze, how is that local control? >> well, it is local control because we are going to allow school administrators and mayors to assign people. >> you are putting restrictions
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on local government. you are mandating restriction on local government. and i have one question for you. when are you going to start doing your job? we have democratic senators doing the people's business from illinois because they aren't listening to us. you are locking the doors, not returning phone calls, you are not representing your own constituent. poll after poll shows this state is not with you and you are not doing your job. >> exactly. >> i think we have a -- >> go ahead, senator, a final word. >> i think we have a problem here in that like some other people, they don't seem to understand they're not the only one talking to us. while i may hear a couple of people like this in madison yelling at me, if i go back to my office and pick up the phone, i have people in my district telling me to stick with governor walker. these people have to realize that not everybody thinks exactly like they do. >> before we go, we're going to have to wrap this segment here.
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>> what sacrifices are you making. >> i have to end this segment now. before we go, senator, i would like to offer you this opportunity to offer a decent wisconsin apology to these four protesters who have appeared with you and to the other protesters at the capitol who clearly are not slobs. >> well, i have told them that they are lovable and likeable. that's as far as we're going to go. but i think the world of them. >> all right. i want to thank you. thank you for joining me tonight. while workers are fighting for their rights in wisconsin, workers in ohio may have just lost some of theirs, thanks to some shocking republican legislative maneuvers. progressives say this republican
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dr. seuss was born on this day 107 years ago. his birthday was adopted as national read across america day. nancy pelosi believes that the republican governor of wisconsin can learn something from dr. seuss as well. she sent this tweet from one of dr. seuss's children's books to the governor tonight. i know up on top you are seeing great sights, but down here at the bottom we, too, should have rights. also speaking out on workers rights, adam green of the progressive change campaign committee. and why did fox news suspend two of several republican candidates it employs?
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the fight over collective bargaining rights that exploded in wisconsin is now spreading across the country. today in ohio, an aggressively anti-union bill passed the state senate by one vote, 17-16, with six republicans defecting and voting against it. the bill restricts collective
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bargaining rights for public employees, including police and firefighters, and bans them from striking. the bill only barely made it to the senate floor. i, for one, have never seen, never seen a more corrupted legislative process than what the ohio senate did today. the bill had to get through two committees before being voted on by the senate. there were not enough republican votes in the first committee, so the republicans actually removed one of the republicans on that committee, and replaced him with another republican that supported the bill, right before the vote. and once the bill cleared that hurdle through the sleeziest legislative maneuver i have ever seen, it moved to another committee where the republicans did exactly the same thing again. they were exactly one vote shy in that committee, so they removed a republican senator in that committee and replaced him with another republican senator
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who supported the bill. so having then cheating the bill through two committees, they outraged republicans. one warned fellow republicans they were in danger of overreach and said i have learned my tea party lessons from the obamacare debate. i am not going to pass the bill so we know what's in it, as former speaker pelosi urged her colleagues to do. neither will i support a bill without taking time to read it and understand it. we should expect no less from republican majorities than we demand of democrat ones. the bill moves to the ohio house next week. ohio governor john kasich hopes to sign the bill into law by march 15th. joining me now, adam green, co-founder of the progressive change campaign committee.
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thanks for joining me, adam. >> thank you, lawrence. >> adam, you recall the outrage from republicans when the healthcare bill was moving through the united states senate through reconciliation. they just said how can you possibly use this unfair procedure which is a procedure that required a majority vote. what we've just seen in ohio takes ramming it through to a whole new level, doesn't it? >> it does. this definitely demonstrates the extremes to which republican politicians will go to view what can be described as nothing less than class warfare, republican class warfare against working middle class families, often in pursuit of a corporate agenda. it is sickening. wisconsin, ohio, some other states across the nation, thousands and thousands of people are fighting back. >> the support in polls clearly lines up behind unions, and we're seeing republicans still trying to legislate against public support in the other direction.
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what you saw today in ohio seems to me is what it's come down to. the public isn't there. republican senators defecting in ohio, now they go to the tactics, the like of which we've never seen before. >> i think what we've seen in the last couple years is a pattern of republicans standing on the wrong side of issues and having no accountability or consequences. what we're seeing in wisconsin and i think will carry over into ohio is finally public respect, finally a spotlight on the bad actors. what you are seeing in wisconsin is the governor public approval ratings in the tank. that's why we continue to go on offense, hold their feet to the fire and will push until the republicans cave. >> adam, we have shown the views on the air in wisconsin, beautiful film making, quite struck by it. i now want to show you what the opponents are putting up against you in wisconsin.
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this is the ad that the rnc is running in wisconsin. >> barack obama is preparing a billion dollar campaign. with his record, he'll spend every penny. state budgets have run dry, the federal debt is skyrocketing. but obama and the union bosses are standing in the way of economic reform, intimidating taxpayers, leaving classrooms empty. they made this mess, let's clean it up. stop obama and his union bosses today. the republican national committee is responsible for the content of this advertising. >> adam, how should the democrats counter that message about obama and his union bosses? >> by not being distracted, keeping our eyes on the real message here which is that consistently republicans cut taxes for corporations and pay for it on the backs of teachers and nurses and regular working people. that's the polling that is reflected in wisconsin and we have to stay focused. let me say something about the ad you said was beautiful.
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legislative stuff is your passion, this is a passion of mine. the ad we saw was a hackish d.c. consultant ad. wasn't very persuasive. watch the full 60 second version of that ad, designed by jim coal and aaron duffy. in the last couple hours, people to give $750,000 online. for the next several days, we will nail the republicans in wisconsin on behalf of middle class workers. we are going to win the war they are waging against families. >> glad you got the credit for film makers in there. adam, thanks for joining us. >> thank you, lawrence. still ahead, fox news suspends rick santorum and newt gingrich because they're thinking of running for president. why are mike huckabee and sarah palin still on the payroll. and the police arrived at
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charlie sheen's home and he tells his story ahead.
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still ahead this hour, fox news suspends rick santorum and newt gingrich because they might, just might, run for president. but mike huckabee and sarah palin get to stay on the payroll?
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time for tonight's "rewrite." and now, a message from fox news. >> effective today, march 2nd, fox news suspended arrangements with former house speaker newt gingrich and former senator rick santorum, both who signaled possible runs for the president. the suspension is effective for 60 days, then on may 1st, their contracts will be terminated, unless they notify fox that they are not running for president. >> wow. suspended. that's got to hurt. i mean, how humiliating is that, news gingrich suspended?
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rick santorum suspended for 60 days? from fox news? who even knew that you could get suspended from fox news for anything. >> a suspension like grade school, for example, for getting in trouble, we'll make sure that's clear. >> oh, okay. so no big deal then. it is a suspension that's not really like a suspension, but it's a suspension for thinking about running for president. in fact, just in the last few minutes, a spokesman for gingrich announced tonight that the former house speaker will start raising money to test if a presidential bid is even feasible. this all means you've got to wonder why mike huckabee and sarah palin were not suspended. as i've been saying for what feels like years now, this is the official position of this show. sarah palin knows she is the
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most recent losing vice presidential candidate who will never be president, and she has no intention of running. she made that perfectly clear when she quit the governorship. huckabee would like to be president. he would love to be president. but he's run once before. he knows how hard it is, knows how much money it takes, knows he can't raise that money, and he knows this. >> well, and i'll tell you, i think it is a lot harder to beat president obama in 2012 than a lot of people are saying. >> so here is the way this whole thing went down at fox news. they get all the presidential wannabes in a conference room, say if you're planning on running for president, thinking about running for president, we're going to suspend you. if there's no chance of you running for president, you're cool. huckabee needily says i'm afraid to leave my job here for another losing presidential campaign, because maybe when i try to get my job back, you will have given it to some other republican
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last night, police came to charlie sheen's home, took his children, and presented him with a restraining order from his estranged wife, brooke mueller. a few hours later at 4:30 a.m. pacific time, the troubled actor sat down for a live interview with nbc's jeff rossen. we will show you that conversation coming up. and later, a television
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"two and a half men" star charlie sheen was already at war with drugs, alcohol, his executive producer, his studio, and his network when the police arrived at his home last night to remove his children and present him with a restraining order, barring him from contacting or coming within 100 yards of his estranged wife, brooke mueller.
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hours after that incident, nbc's jeff rossen returned to sheen's home to conduct a live interview for the "today" show at 4:30 a.m., pacific time. >> charlie sheen joins us now for an exclusive live interview along with his lawyer, mark gross. thanks for joining us. >> good to see you. thank you. >> let's start at the very beginning. what exactly happened at your house. you're at home, the boys were awake or asleep? >> they were just being put to bed. and i was informed that the police were on the way down to issue a restraining order. and i thought okay. we can deal with that, got my lawyer on the phone. it was revealed when i opened the door that they were there to remove bob and max. so i professed to not deal with them, come from a place of panic, not ego, emotion, any of
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that, i stayed calm, focused. somebody badgers you, they win in that moment, and it just seemed odd. there were other people there that didn't seem qualified to carry out such an operation. >> like who? >> a couple of gentlemen that wouldn't identify themselves, wouldn't show id. just looked like they were more from what we found out later from the rehab facility than the actual law enforcement. so i didn't push it, i am not into resisting the law, and i just had to surrender to it, knowing that this was -- this is now the challenge i claim to be looking for, and i am more than willing to take on this task. if anybody thought my focus was directed in a radical capacity, that's going to seem like child's play. >> so they went upstairs. who went and got the children, how did they take them out of the house? >> i did, emma and lauren, the
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nannies, and we just calmly, we video taped the whole thing, so nobody could claim otherwise. you have seen the video. it was all very even and direct. they didn't have car seats, so i provided them. and i said i love you, and i said don't say good-bye. i said see you later, and later is as we believe to be very soon. >> sitting here now hours after this happened, do you know where your children are at this moment? >> i do not, really good question, really good point. isn't there some legal protection or some law that should inform the father of where his children are being moved and delivered to? >> you or any other father has the right to know where your children are. the silence by brook's attorneys is -- >> did you say where are you taking the children before i just hand them over to you? >> i stupidly, this is on me, i assumed they were going back to
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the house that they had been living in with brook when they're not with me. i think we got reports they were at a hotel in santa monica. at this moment on live television, i do not know where my children are, but i am not panicking. this is not about emotion or ego, it is about getting very focused and getting very much in touch with what i have to do to complete the task of bringing these two beautiful young men back to the home that they deserve to be raised in. there's more love, compassion, support, child care, and everything else you could possibly want for a child in this lovely home. it is our house, it is a home right down that hill. >> according to tmz, and they posted this overnight, she went to court yesterday and told the judge you threatened her recently. that's why she filed a court order. she says you told her i will cut your head off, put it in a box and send it to your mom. >> colorful. >> did you say that? >> you spend enough time around
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me, you can formulate things and think it could have come from my mouth, but you could do that watching reruns. >> a lot of people watched the video on the "today" show yesterday morning, when we were in the house with your two girlfriends, the goddesses, and said to themselves maybe two young boys shouldn't be raised in this kind of environment, with women who they are just meeting. how do you respond to that, the critics and your estranged wife that doesn't think they should be raised there. >> i encourage anyone to come in, there's nothing to hide. there's nothing but love and compassion, and support for the children. i am going to go ahead and say that, you know, regardless of what people offer in the form of judgment or opinion, based on preconceived whatever, it's 100 thousand times better than what's delivered in her house.
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>> you say you're willing to go to a negotiating table with brooke mueller. i am sure your level of anger is through the roof, but are you willing to do this? >> absolutely, had i received a phone call, had you received a phone call, we would have been willing to, absolutely, this is fine. in fact, i was going to call her because she had been requesting a two-hour visit, asking the weekend nanny to bring them somewhere. i had rejected it because i knew that the drug test wouldn't be clean. >> he tweeted to over 1 million followers, my sons are fine, my path is now clear, defeat is not an option. coming up, bravo's andy cohen joins us to discuss the future of charlie sheen. we will ask him how cbs handled the charlie sheen crisis. you go next if you had a
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so les moonves is saying cbs is just fine without charlie sheen now in the short term. >> i don't know if i would paraphrase it like that. >> it was an intelligent spin. he is a brilliant business man. look who he is, look who he got. >> cbs president les moonves has yet to make a final decision on his demanding millionaire movie star charlie sheen, but he might want to seek advice from a television executive that has handled dozens of big stars, andy cohen, bravo's emmy winning senior vice president of original programming and development. he oversees the real housewives franchise and watch what happens live.
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joining me now, andy cohen. andy, we have not seen anything like the charlie sheen on television. how is les moonves doing. you're a network executive. you have to have thoughts about how the executives should handle it. >> it is an impossible spacial. there's a runaway train happening who is on a media tour, no end in sight. it is a really hard situation. it was interesting. cbs finally reached their breaking point with charlie sheen and suspended him, and now the question is where do they go. i ran into les at nate now's. >> so you have the scoop. >> no. i said look, isn't there a fraternal twin or cousin or something like that that you could just bring in? and i think that's the move. to me, that's the only move. bring in somebody who's a relative, who essentially is playing a slacker character,
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playing the same character sheen plays on "two and a half men" and make an easy transition. get yourself out of it. >> see if chuck lorre wants to write that transition. but this show is a phenomenal money maker for that network. this is not an easy decision. >> no. >> to suspend or to stop. >> it's not. the question is, what kind of damage has charlie sheen done to himself, not just with the binges reported in the last few months and years, but really heated up. but also, what has the media tour done to people's perception of him and are they -- do they want to see him in this funny role in the show. >> he doesn't scare the audience away when he gets into this behavior. ratings haven't suffered, have gone up a bit. it would seem to me after this one, if charlie makes another episode of "two and a half men," i am actually going to watch my first episode of "two and a half men."
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i want to see it. >> i've never seen it either. i am scared to admit it because it is a huge show. but no, you know what, it's a good point. you're right. >> when he talks about i'm worth 3 million an episode, that is not as crazy as people out there might think. this show has made -- >> a huge amount of money. >> there is no television actor that's more valuable than charlie sheen. >> it is true. also, they wouldn't be dumping the wheelbarrow full of money at his house if they weren't making a lot of money in return. so clearly, there's money to be made. >> no, you're in the reality show business. >> yes, i am. >> when you look at something like this, you've got to be frustrated. you've got to say i hope charlie sheen is not ruining reality tv, because what he's doing is better than a lot of -- >> look, i think it certainly speaks to the fact that truth is stranger than fiction a lot of times, and it is one of the
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reasons that reality tv is so compelling, and you see him, by the way, every interview he has done is completely different and compelling for different reasons. >> how much would you love to have the cameras trailing the real housewives of charlie sheen. >> the goddesses? >> i don't know. surprised to hear he had custody of the two kids, they have been in the house with the goddesses. i was really taken with that over the last 24 hours. but i don't know. it's a sad story. what we have on bravo, there's a lot of fun on bravo, and maybe too sad, the real goddesses of sheen manor. >> what do you have coming up on bravo? >> season six of real housewives of orange county. i know you're excited about that. >> i'll be watching lockup. >> these are the women that started the housewives.


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